At one point, as the fire sent sparks into the heavens, we raised our arms to the cold darkness, singing to the stars. Singing ourselves into our own belonging.

Such is Re-Enchanting our world.

Which is part of what this new podcast episode, a conversation with Osprey Orielle Lake is about.

I first ran into Osprey's work spearheading WECAN many years ago. I think it was at a United Nations gathering around climate change, and she had brought indigenous women from different parts of the world to the gathering to talk about their experience with climate change. It was very powerful.

Since then I have seen how WECAN very consistently, over a long period of time, has worked to uplift indigenous women's voices and movements.

So I was quite delighted when I learned that she was interested in being on my podcast to talk about her new book, The Story is in Our Bones: How Worldviews and Climate Justice Can Remake a World in Crisis. After our conversation, she said this was one of the rare interviews where she could talk both about the spiritual side and the political-economic-climate side of her work... which is what the book is about.

I know that building cross-cultural collaborations can be really hard. Especially across and in between the histories of colonization. Colonial legacies include "blindspots" and "hearing gaps" between, especially, indigenous and settler cultures.

So the first question I asked her was, "How did you learn to listen?" And we went from there. It was a beautiful conversation. I hope you enjoy it.