Subject: Bobs Write In About Giveaway Fraud and our Newsletter, Giveaways, News Busted


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Bob writes in about Giveaways


Once again as most of you know we have spelled Bob's name backwards so that nobody knows whom we are talking about.


Our comments and thoughts to Bobs statements appear below in italics so it is easy to differentiate between Bob and us...


Hi Joe,

I have seen another low for the JV admin
and contributors alike.

I have noticed as of late that more and more giveaway event contributors are attempting to use the free gift portion of the events to gain an edge and promote text links, banners, full sales pages even.

Maybe they do not realize that when you offer a free gift, you are also offering a relationship that can blossom into a great marketing campaign or a chase your tail bust. When I am told of an item that is free to me and the first thing I see is an offer or banners, it makes me believe that
these events are a waste of my time.


While this behavior seems ok for the junk marketer, it does not benefit what is a marvelous tool for list building.


You are absolutely right Bob, but unfortunately regular Members themselves in some cases are scamming too - with disposable or non existent email addresses out ot only steal the JV Partner/ Contributor Giveaway offer and never intend to receive another email from the Partner nor see any future offers.


You are right about offering a relationship and more, but the unfortunate reality is that there are scammers at every level, and therefore at every level we see people trying to "gain an edge"

It would be unfair of me to point the finger only at the giveaway contributor as I have witnessed many a scam from the promoters with over inflated numbers and fraudulent claims.


Ain't that the truth, but once again unfortunately that seems to be the norm for most Internet Marketing - lies, inflated numbers, and buy my crap you'll make a gazillion - coming from those who in some cases never made a dime. Scripts that don't work, programs that don't work, and the list goes on and on .....


As of the last couple of days I have received more disturbing emails that I would like to share.

The first one start off with a total lie that blames the script not the operator:

"Downgrading - The script we are using Ultimate Giveaway will automatically
down grade you to members class if you don’t have at least one referral (by one day after opening.)


This is done by the script and there is nothing we can do to stop it. We HAVE tried."


The fact is as Bob points out:

The Ultimate Giveaway is fully controllable by the admin of the event to the turn of not only when but if it happens at all.


Also the script looks for unique IP hits to ensure promotions, not an actual signup, as is stated on their sign up page:

"Rule #1:

You MUST Promote the giveaway.
We have coded in Tracking Stats to ensure ALL JV Partners are Promoting.
If you do not have any unique hits to your promotion URL after the giveaway launches your JV account will be downgraded and your gift will be removed."

As mentioned above "the script looks for unique IP hits to ensure promotions" and not mentioned it WILL downgrade those whom have no unique IP hits helping to stem fraud - if activated.


It is unbelievable the amount of JV Partners/Contributors that do not get it that the event is about reciprocal promotion and do not promote the event, in short being parasites of those whom are.


Right now in a current event we are hosting that has not reached the Member Phase, we have supposedly 186 JV Partners/Contributors and of those 77 have no activity on their promotional links.


That means that more then 40% are scamming the rest of the partners to include the host which brings me to .....

My next complaint to fraud comes in a different manner.

There are scripts that allow this, but to do this without a serious explanation on the front end (which I could not find) is a way of cheating contributors:

"Welcome Members:

As a member of these events you all come here for one reason, and that is to gather up as many gifts that you can from the contributors.

And in exchange for you getting the gifts you give the contributor the right to get your name and email.


This allows the contributor to add you to their list, so they can send you emails about other offers.

The way this normally works is that you have to click on the contributors link to get the gift, and then you must fill out a form and then you are directed to the gift.

Well we are doing something a bit different here. If you buy the upgrade ,
you will get a direct download link to all the gifts .

You just click on that download link and you will be taken to the gift and not
to a signup page.


This is huge seeing that some of these events can have well over 100 gifts. That takes you a lot of time to fill out all those forms.

Now this service is restricted to only the members that pay for an upgrade.
If you do not pay for the upgrade then you will still be required to fill out all the forms in order to get the gifts"

I can not help but feel that, any promotional efforts, and even the time I spend to sign up to events like this are a
total cheat if my chance to receive signups can be sold.


but Bob, the actual numbers tell a different story of what is really lost to these offers and we agree to disagree without prejudice and still go on with the events.


We ourselves in the distant past have partaken in having a Member OTO that sold the gifts without having to signup to every Partner, though at present and for some time we have not done this due to our new giveaway software and taking the time to implement this practice.


Why do I not feel guilty about this?


Here are the exact numbers from a previous article of ours and event in which we did this exact thing:


I am gong to play both sides of the fence using REAL statistics from one of our most recent and on going giveaways though at the time of this writing the giveaway is less then 36 hours old. 
Confirmed Members: 317
Upgraded Members: 1
I do not think any of my contributors are going to rebel because 1 out of 317 members did not sign up to their list and one of the referrers got a small commission.
Now the other side of the fence:
Confirmed Contributors: 228
Total Gifts: 152
Approved Gifts: 142
Number of approved gifts that have NOT received sign ups to their lists: 0
Number of contributors that have at least referred one confirmed referral: 49
Number of contributors that have referred 98% of the confirmed referrals: 11
that means 11 of us including myself are basically carrying the other 133 contributors that are getting sign ups with what appears to be no effort on their part to promote.
Now do I feel guilty that the non referring contributors have missed 1 possible sign up out of 317 while the other 49 - in the best possible light - carry the remaining 93? - not one bit.
Now on the other hand, considering that only one member out of 317 upgraded - maybe it would be more profitable for the contributors and referrers to have an OTO or something in place of the member upgrade.
Unfair to have a member upgrade and some of the contributors miss out on a possible sign up and have their gift downloaded? - considering the statistics and since all of the contributors have had sign ups to their lists I think the people driving the referrals are getting totally screwed.
So ideologically Bob you may be right about the perspective and your reasoning of not having member upgrades - but reality shows a completely different scene happening and it is the referring contributors taking the hit and not those missing a sign up due to direct downloads.
In closing, it may be more profitable to replace the member upgrade with an OTO sharing the commission with the referrer etc.,
but to do so because the majority whom are not promoting, but ARE building their lists - may have their gift downloaded without a sign up or three ..... wrong answer.
and that is the reality supported by statistics :-)

IT runs downhill. If the contributors are scammed then they are in turn attempting to do the same thing.


Actually Bob it runs uphill, if the Members were not scamming the JV Partners and Contributors, then the JV Partners and Contributors would know the Member will see their next offer coming from their responder etc. and would not go through the trouble to such tactics of getting their offer in front of the Member before the Member runs off.


If the JV Partners/Contributors were promoting as they should the event host would not be motivated to squeeze more profit from the event by selling the Gifts and/or downgrading those that do not promote or do not have referrals.

Lead by example!

Honesty and cooperation on everyone’s behalf has to exist to provide an environment that allows for everyone participating to feel they do not need
to cheat to get an edge. The supply is always abundant, if we do not chase it away.

As always


You are absolutely right Bob, but the unfortunate truth is that a very large portion - definitely not the majority - of the people participating at all levels are NOT honest and no matter what we do they will not become honest nor cooperative.


It is those few that are Honest which have kept the events going thus far and have not destroyed the entire market.


What you did not mention or address while talking about fraud, hosts, and such ..... was the fraud of Hosts and owners of the scripts that are getting around licensing terms offering to do events for others? at a relatively low price to those whom have not made the much larger investment into the script? and the non owner learning how to configure and run the event? and of course the script writer?


Aren't those hosts stealing from the hosts whom have made the plunge? Invested into the script themselves? Took the time to learn the script and run the event? and the writer of the script too?


Aren't these Hosts in a way thieves too and dishonest?


Stealing from my investment and expertise in installing the script and time learning and running the event? Much more time needed then to configure a squeeze page and upload a gift? Theft from the Domain Name Registries and the hosting companies too?


Indeed Lead by example!


and those couple of events that we (AECNU) ran for other people like Paulo Orlando etc.


They paid and owned the script! and we were equal partners in the event 50/50!


That is why we host so few for others.


We confirm with the script writer that the person bought the script and has a legal license that they own. Not piggy backing on our license investment.


Lead by example indeed!


This is the primary reason that I agree to disagree with the policies of others in their businesses - without prejudice - because it is my opinion that on some level or degree they are all cheating or trying to gain an edge.


But I also find that many add great value or have great value in spite of the indifferences in how they run their event or business ..... so I deal with them because it is not so underhanded or evil, it is just not perfect to my individual perspective.


Those things that I can live with I do, those things that I cannot - I don't live with or deal with expunging them from my world if at all possible :-)





Bob writes in about Our Newsletter


After reading the tax system explained in terms of drinking beer, I have to thank you.


I have never before seen such an easy to understand explanation and I can't wait to drop it on the folks at mine and my wife's work who are lefties.

Keep up the good work!




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When will the people stand up and insist that the Government is detained and prosecuted for the crimes it HAS committed?
  Bob Writes in about fixing the US Congress  

The 26th amendment (granting the right to vote for 18 year-olds) took only 3 months & 8 days to be ratified!


Simple! The people demanded it.

That was in 1971...before computers, before e-mail, before cell phones, etc.

Of the 27 amendments to the Constitution, seven (7) took 1 year or less to become the law of the land...all because of public pressure.

I'm asking each addressee to forward this email to a minimum of twenty people on their address list; in turn ask each of those to do likewise.

In three days, most people in The United States of America will have the message. This is one idea that really should be passed around. See items below:

Congressional Reform Act of 2011

1. Term Limits. 12 years only, one of the possible options below..

A. Two Six-year Senate terms
B. Six Two-year House terms
C. One Six-year Senate term and three Two-Year House terms

2. No Tenure / No Pension.

A Congressman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they are out of office.

3. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security.

All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system immediately.

All future funds flow into the Social Security system, and Congress participates
with the American people.

4. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans do.

5. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise.

Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.

6. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people.

7. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people.

8. All contracts with past and present Congressmen are void effective 1/1/11.

The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen. Congressmen made all these contracts for themselves.

Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career.

The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should serve their term(s), then go home and back to work.

If each person contacts a minimum of twenty people then it will only take three days for most people (in the U.S.) to receive the message.

Maybe it is time.


Thanks Bob for your input and Good Luck with this! Unfortunately it will probably not happen without a revolution of some kind ..... just the same these people in Government, mostly incompetent bumbling boobs whom are not qualified for much other then winning a popularity contest based on their lies, are not Gods or anything special, they put their pants on the same way that I do, one leg at a time.

But it is obvious that they grant themselves special privileges and benefits that make them feel they are Gods, above the law, and of greater value then the citizens they supposedly serve while in reality whom serves whom? Obviously not the way it is supposed to be in a Republic.

Remember people and take heed, Government is not out there to help you, in almost all cases they are self servings dolts, parasites of the People.

To help you, since they produce nothing, they must take it from somebody else - simple redistribution of something they have taken from somebody else under the threat of consequences to paying by that somebody else to include violence (Gunpoint) if necessary, and that is the plain undeniable truth about the matter.

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